الأربعاء، 3 يونيو، 2009

Gangs of Iraq

PRODUCED BY Marcela Gaviria
REPORTED BY Martin Smith
WRITTEN BY Marcela Gaviria and Martin Smith
MARMTIN SMITH: [voice-over] After that interview, General Petraeus told us he recalled three instances of detainee abuse. At his urging, he says, Jabr fired those responsible. But two months after Petraeus rotated out of Iraq, a U.S. general found inspected a ministry building called the Jadiriyah bunker.
Brg. Gen. KARL HORST, 3rd Infantry Division, 2004-06: There was no latrine. They were using one-liter water bottles as toilets. There was an acrid, pungent smell of urine and feces and rotted food and unclean bodies. It was -- it was absolutely horrendous.
MARTIN SMITH: [on camera] Could you tell what had been done to them?
Brg. Gen. KARL HORST: It looked as though as they'd been beaten with -- with blunt objects, with sticks, with aluminum poles, with belts.
MARTIN SMITH: [voice-over] Horst discovered room after room, with a total of 169 prisoners.
MATT SHERMAN: Jabr had -- I mean, he had excuses for everything. I mean, Jabr -- again, it was, it was something where, you know, he viewed these individuals that were in the bunker as terrorists. He was someone who then viewed the torture that it was only a little torture. It wasn't much.
MARTIN SMITH: [on camera] Is that what he said to you?
MATT SHERMAN: Yeah.
MARTIN SMITH: He said little torture?
MATT SHERMAN: Little torture.
MARTIN SMITH: You admitted to Matt Sherman that there was some torture.
BAYAN JABR: No, he is totally wrong.
MARTIN SMITH: They found 170, approximately --
BAYAN JABR: A hundred or two hundred, that is detainees that are criminals, many of them killed Iraqis by car bombs.
MARTIN SMITH: Does that justify torture?
BAYAN JABR: Yes! No, what do you mean?
MARTIN SMITH: Does that justify, does that make torture all --
BAYAN JABR: No, no, no. I am against the torture everywhere.
MARTIN SMITH: Jabr told us that there was no torture.
Brg. Gen. KARL HORST: Bayan Jabr never came to the compound to see for himself that there was torture. So if he told you there was no torture, frankly, I don't know how he would know that because he never went there.
DONALD RUMSFELD: [press conference, November 29, 2005] Good afternoon, folks.
Gen. PETER PACE, Chmn., Joint Chiefs of Staff: Your questions, please.
DONALD RUMSFELD: Charlie?
1st REPORTER: Mr. Secretary, are you concerned over -- and in fact, is the United States looking into growing reports of uniformed death squads in Iraq perhaps assassinating and torturing hundreds of Sunnis? And if that's true, what would that say about stability in Iraq?
DONALD RUMSFELD: [unintelligible] comment on hypothetical questions. I've not seen reports that hundreds are being killed by roving death squads at all.
2nd REPORTER: Sir, taking on Charlie's question a bit -- the United States is responsible for training and expects to turn over the security mission to them. So what is -- what is the U.S. obligation in addressing that and preventing that? And what can we do? And what are we doing?
DONALD RUMSFELD: Obviously, the United States does not have a responsibility when a sovereign country engages in something that they disapprove of. However, we do have a responsibility to say so and to make sure that the training is proper and to work with the sovereign officials in the event some of these allegations prove to be true.
3rd REPORTER: And General Pace, what -- what guidance do you have for your military commanders over there as to what to do if they -- like when General Horst found this Interior Ministry jail?
Gen. PETER PACE: It is absolutely the responsibility of every U.S. service member, if they see inhumane treatment being conducted, to intervene to stop it. So they did exactly what they should have done.
DONALD RUMSFELD: I don't think you mean they have an obligation to physically stop it. It's to report it.
Gen. PETER PACE: If they are physically present when inhumane treatment is taking place, sir, they have an obligation to try to stop it.
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وزير الداخلية في المؤتمر الصحفي حول فضيحة الجادرية
No-one was beheaded, no-one was killed
Bayan Jabr Iraqi Interior Minister


بيان جبر صولاغ : ان من قام بجريمة السجون السرية في منطقة الجادرية هم أزلام النظام السابق ، الذين استطاعوا ان يتغلغلوا بيننا بدون ان نشعر ، ويتقلدوا اعلى المناصب بدون ان نعرف ، اما نوعية المعتقلين فهم وان كانوا ارهابيين بعثيين ولكن لا يعني هذا ان يتعرضوا للتعذيب !!
( يعني المعتقلين بعثيين والسجانين والجلادين كذلك بعثيين )

All for Torture, and Torture for All!

the Washington Times reported today. “Maj. Gen. Hussein Kamal, deputy interior minister said the detainees also included Shiites, Kurds and Turkmen.”
Translation: No bias here. We’re equal opportunity torturers!